From The Hartman Institute Promoted Podcast

Trump’s Dystopia

Voters were aghast, world leaders were outraged: a proposed US take-over, clean-out, and transformation of Gaza. Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi discuss.

US President Donald Trump, right, meets with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the Oval Office of the White House, February 4, 2025, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

Voters were aghast, world leaders were outraged, and Netanyahu seemed jubilant, when President Trump recently doubled down on a plan that seems totally detached from reality: a U.S. take-over, clean-out, and transformation of Gaza into the “Riviera of the Middle East.” Though the White House has since clarified that Palestinian relocation would only be temporary, the shockwaves it caused in the region, and the reaction of the Israeli public, are telling.

In this episode, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi talk messianism, morality, and this strange new chapter of U.S. relations, as they assess Israeli attitudes towards the proposal and the precarious fate of the hostage deal.

This episode is sponsored by Nancy Cahners.

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