In private remarks, Gantz muses that desperate Netanyahu would like him dead

Blue and White leader also recorded speculating on possibility the PM asked the Russians to interfere in the elections; Likud says ‘paranoid’ Gantz has ‘lost it’

Benny Gantz, leader of the Blue and White party, speaks during a party meeting in Tel Aviv on March 20, 2019. (Tomer Neuberg/Flash90)
Benny Gantz, leader of the Blue and White party, speaks during a party meeting in Tel Aviv on March 20, 2019. (Tomer Neuberg/Flash90)

The head of the Blue and White Party, Benny Gantz, was recorded speculating that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would be happy to see him dead and may have asked the Russians to interfere in the elections, Channel 13 reported Sunday.

In a recording of a conversation, which the TV report said was made recently during a closed door meeting in a limited forum, Gantz can be heard making several apparently unfounded accusations about Netanyahu. Netanyahu’s Likud party responded to the tapes by saying that Gantz had become paranoid and “had lost it.”

“If (Netanyahu) had a way that I would be harmed, that they would kill me, he would do it,” Gantz says, adding that the upcoming elections had made Netanyahu desperate.

“Would regular Benjamin Netanyahu, who I know, want me harmed? The answer is no. Would Benjamin Netanyahu on the eve of elections want me harmed? Unfortunately I would have to say so,” said Gantz, who served as chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces under Netanyahu from 2011 to 2015.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, left, and then-IDF chief of staff Benny Gantz at the Eshkol Regional Council in southern Israel, on September 22, 2014. (Edi Israel/Pool/Flash90)

Gantz, who is Netanyahu’s main challenger in the upcoming elections, has been at a disadvanage in recent days over reports that his cellphone was hacked by the Iranians.

The Likud party has tried to use the hack, which Gantz was informed about last year by Israeli security officials, to show he is unfit to lead the country. Gantz has charged that the leak of the breach to the media was politically motivated.

In the recording, of which Channel 13 played excerpts only, Gantz concedes the Iranians could have been behind the hack, but then immediately pivots to present a different theory, blaming Netanyahu.

“OK, if it’s not the enemy, then who did it? It’s the opponents. If it’s the opponents, how are they doing it? In one of two ways,” Gantz postulates. “One possibility is that they hired private people who carry out these sorts of cyber activities. A second possibility, which suits Bibi — even though I don’t see this as a very high probability — is that he activated the Russians to interfere in the elections,” he says, referring to Netanyahu by his nickname.

The Likud party completely denied these allegations, telling Channel 13 that “Benny Gantz has lost it.”

“After he accused the prime minister of treason against the state [in relation to a German deal to sell submarines to Egypt], he now accused the prime minister of sending people to murder him,” the statement said. “If Benny Gantz is showing signs of advanced paranoia after two weeks of pressure during the election campaign after his phone was hacked, how can he run the country?”

In the recording, Gantz can also be heard taking a swipe at Netanyahu’s legal woes and at his wife Sara’s domineering reputation.

“That man knows he is going to prison, he knows he is in prison no matter what,” Gantz says. “If he finished his term as prime minister he is going to prison. If he doesn’t go to trial, and doesn’t go to prison, he will be with Sara, and so he stays in prison. The only place he is a free man is when he is in his office.”

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and his wife Sara, speaking to reporters before flying to Washington early on March 24, 2019. Raphael Ahren/Times of Israel)

Netanyahu is to be charged with fraud and breach of trust in three separate corruption cases, and bribery in one of them, unless he can persuade the attorney general to reconsider in a hearing process set for this summer.

This is not the first time that recordings have surfaced from Gantz’s meetings with supporters behind closed doors. Recently he was heard saying that he hadn’t ruled out Netanyahu as a possible coalition partner, contradicting his public statements.

Gantz, like Netanyahu, is currently in Washington to attend the AIPAC policy conference.

Earlier Sunday, speaking to reporters, Gantz complained that Netanyahu was focused only on his personal issues and his legal woes, and neglecting matters of national importance.

At the same time, Gantz continued to refuse to address reports that Iran hacked his phone, insisting that it contained no material that could potentially pose a security risk.

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