Speaking to Bloomberg Television, Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer stresses that Israel is not going to leave the Philadelphi Corridor in the first phase of a deal with Hamas, but leaves the door open for a full withdrawal in a negotiated second phase.
“In phase one, Israel is going to stay on that line until we have a practical solution on the ground that can convince the people of Israel… that what happened on October 7 will not happen again,” says Dermer. “That Hamas will not rearm.”
On Monday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made the case for a permanent Israeli presence on the Gaza-Egypt border.
However, Dermer, his close adviser, indicates that there could be alternative arrangements in the context of a long-term ceasefire.
“Phase one of this deal, what it calls for… is to have negotiations over the conditions over a permanent ceasefire,” says Dermer. “And once you’ve concluded those negotiations, while you’re in a ceasefire for phase one, in order to get to phase two and a permanent ceasefire, that’s when you can discuss long-term security arrangements on the Philadelphi Corridor.”
Dermer was asked repeatedly about a Times of Israel report revealing that Netanyahu had dispatched his Mossad chief David Barnea to Doha to inform Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani that the IDF is prepared to fully withdraw from the Philadelphi Corridor in the second phase of the deal. This came hours before Netanyahu’s press conference in which he indicated that the IDF would remain there indefinitely.
Dermer calls the report “misleading” but does not elaborate.
“I can’t talk about the arrangements in a second phase because we haven’t even negotiated about who is going to be there? How long is it going to take?”
At the same time, Dermer stresses that “until we have an actual practical solution on the ground for the Philadelphi Corridor, Israeli forces cannot leave.”
Dermer also says that Israel is not going to make any concessions in the wake of Hamas’s murder of six hostages last week.
“If Hamas doesn’t pay a heavy price for killing the six hostages, they’re going to start killing hostages, thinking that if you kill hostages you get concessions,” says Dermer, after Defense Minister Yoav Gallant reportedly urged Netanyahu to change his stance on the Philadelphi Corridor after the murders.
Dermer continues the line Netanyahu took earlier this week on directly criticizing Egypt for its failure to prevent Hamas from smuggling in weapons from the Sinai Peninsula. Unlike Netanyahu, however, Dermer mentions Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi by name.
He says that he is “not questioning the intentions of the Egyptians” but rather is “questioning the results.”
Dermer criticizes the other regional mediator as well, panning Qatar for “harboring and financing Hamas for a long time and frankly financing the Muslim Brotherhood all over the world, and also promoting a lot of Hamas propaganda which is antisemitic and anti-American through their state-controlled television station al-Jazeera.”
The minister says that despite recent criticism from US President Joe Biden, the two countries are closely coordinating on hostage talks: “We’re trying to get as much as we can on the same page as the Americans. I think we’ve been there for the last couple months.”
“When the US and Israel show no daylight between them and when all the pressure is directed where it should be, on Hamas, I think the chances of getting to a deal go way, way up,” he says.
“I hope we can get there in the next couple of weeks.”
Jacob Magid contributed to this report.