'Abbas dreams of '67 lines, but we're staying there'

Gantz says Israel could accept new Iran nuclear deal

But defense minister says he wants to see ‘viable Plan B’ if efforts to resurrect pact fail, indicates an Israeli military strike could also be in the cards

Defense Minister Benny Gantz speaks at a counterterrorism conference at Reichman University in Herzliya, on September 12, 2021. (Ronen Topelberg)
Defense Minister Benny Gantz speaks at a counterterrorism conference at Reichman University in Herzliya, on September 12, 2021. (Ronen Topelberg)

Defense Minister Benny Gantz said he was prepared to accept a scenario in which the US negotiates a fresh nuclear deal with Iran, in a rare comment from a senior government official not rejecting such a multilateral accord out of hand.

“The current US approach of putting the Iran nuclear program back in a box, I’d accept that,” Gantz told Foreign Policy in an interview published Tuesday, employing rhetoric used by the Biden administration to describe the goal of the 2015 nuclear deal, known formally as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

While Israeli defense officials not in government have indicated a degree of tolerance for the JCPOA or a negotiated nuclear deal of any kind in the past, that sentiment has not extended to public officials, and Gantz appears to be the most senior cabinet member to reflect it on the record.

However, a spokesperson for the minister later clarified that Gantz does not support an American return to the JCPOA, but rather maintains that Israel would accept some other longer, broader and stronger nuclear agreement.

Prime Minister Naftali Bennett assured US President Joe Biden at the White House last month that he would not publicly campaign against Washington’s efforts to coax Iran back to the 2015 accord brokered by former US president Barack Obama and abrogated by Biden’s predecessor Donald Trump in 2018, Israeli officials said. That was a departure from Bennett’s predecessor Benjamin Netanyahu, who campaigned aggressively against the JCPOA and even accepted an invitation to address a joint session of Congress where he unsuccessfully lobbied lawmakers against the deal in 2015, aggravating an already growing rift between Israel and the US Democratic Party.

Bennett, however, has also made it clear that he opposes a negotiated nuclear deal and has not publicly stated that its resurrection is something that Israel could live with, as Gantz did in his Tuesday interview.

The defense minister also made clear that he wanted to see a “viable US-led plan B” that includes significant political, diplomatic, and economic pressure against Tehran imposed jointly by the US, Europe, Russia, and China — as well as a credible military threat — if talks in Vienna seeking a US-Iran return to the JCPOA fail to bear fruit.

TV cameras in front of the ‘Grand Hotel Vienna’ where closed-door nuclear talks take place in Vienna, Austria, June 20, 2021. (Florian Schroetter/AP)

“We have to connect China in this too, Asia has to play a role,” Gantz said, noting Iran’s growing economic ties with the Far East. “Israel has no ability to lead a real plan B, we can’t put together an international economic sanctions regime. This has to be led by the US.”

“Iran has to fear that the US and its partners are serious,” he added.

Gantz also indicated to Foreign Policy that Israel had its own “plan C” that would involve military action.

“If push comes to shove, we’ll get there,” Gantz said, switching to English to make the point, adding: “We’re not America, but we have our capabilities.”

He went on to warn that if world powers fail to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, it’ll lead to a nuclear arms race. “Other states won’t just sit quietly… They’ll buy it directly off the shelf from Pakistan or whoever they can.”

Asked to comment on the US withdrawal from Afghanistan and the swift Taliban takeover of the country, Gantz defended the Biden administration, explaining the policy had been “completely understandable … otherwise you could be there forever,” while adding that “there are no happy withdrawals.”

However, he said Iran must not be allowed to infer from the Afghanistan scenario that “all you have to do is stay strong and determined and the West will fold.”

US President Joe Biden shakes hands with Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett as they meet in the Oval Office of the White House, Friday, Aug. 27, 2021, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

On the Palestinian issue as well, Gantz offered some of his most detailed comments to date.

While he expressed his support for “need[ing] two political entities here,” he was not quoted as using the term “state” to describe the future Palestinian entity that he envisions.

Moreover, he said Israel would not dismantle any of its West Bank settlements, leaving far less territory than what the Palestinians envision for their state and that most analysts believe will produce viable borders.

“[Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud] Abbas is still dreaming of the 1967 lines… This won’t happen,” Gantz said. “He has to realize we’re staying there… We’re not taking down settlements.”

It was the first time Gantz vocalized his opposition to settlement evacuation, not even differentiating between Israeli towns closer to the Green Lines and ones deep in the West Bank as he has in the past. Refusal to evacuate settlements has been a recent policy of Netanyahu but had not yet extended to the center of the political map where Gantz has sought to establish himself.

View of the Givat Asaf outpost, near the settlement of Beit El in the West Bank on May 15, 2014. (Miriam Alster/Flash 90)

Nonetheless, he insisted that maintaining ties with Abbas and the PA are “a value of the highest importance.”

The two held a meeting in Ramallah last month, after which Gantz announced a series of small gestures aimed at improving Palestinian livelihood. His office maintains that it is in Israel’s interest to strengthen the PA in order to present a moderate alternative to the Hamas terror group that rules Gaza.

But Bennett still sits at the top of the government and has made clear that he won’t even meet Abbas, let alone enter political negotiations with him.

“Overall the government is functioning fine — we’re making space for each other [to work]… but I’m the lead on security matters,” Gantz said.

Judah Ari Gross contributed to this report.

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