Messianic San Bernardino victim was ‘gentile’ supporter of Israel, argued with killer on Islam
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Nicholas knew the killer, Farook, says his wife. 'And with our faith, they may not necessarily have got along'

Messianic San Bernardino victim was ‘gentile’ supporter of Israel, argued with killer on Islam

Nicholas Thalasinos was not Jewish, but 'felt he was put on this earth to follow Hashem and God’s people'

Nicholas Thalasinos renewing his marital vows with his wife at a Jewish-style ceremony, 2013 (Facebook/JTA)
Nicholas Thalasinos renewing his marital vows with his wife at a Jewish-style ceremony, 2013 (Facebook/JTA)

JTA — While America puzzles over the mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, many American Jews are puzzling over an additional element: the religious identity of victim Nicholas Thalasinos.

Pictured on his Facebook page wearing a scarf-style tallit prayer shawl, Thalasinos, who was killed along with 13 others in Wednesday’s shooting at a center for people with disabilities, has been variously identified in media reports as a Jew, a Zionist and, in some cases, a messianic Jew.

Just two weeks ago, Thalasinos reportedly got into a heated argument about the nature of Islam with co-worker Syed Farook, whom authorities said perpetrated the horrific San Bernardino attack along with his wife, Tashfeen Malik. Investigators announced Friday that they were treating the attack as a terrorist act motivated by Islamic extremism. Both husband and wife were Muslim, and authorities said Malik had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State in a Facebook post.

Thalasinos’ friend, Kuuleme Stephens, told The Associated Press on Thursday that she happened to call him while he was working with Farook, and that he brought her into their debate, loudly declaring that Farook “doesn’t agree that Islam is not a peaceful religion.” She heard Farook counter that Americans don’t understand Islam, and Thalasinos responded by saying “I don’t know how to talk with him,” she said.

Stephens said Thalasinos did not believe his co-worker would ever turn violent. However, Stephens said his grieving wife told her later Thursday to tell the media that she now “believes her husband was martyred for his faith and beliefs.” It wasn’t immediately clear why Jennifer Thalasinos came to that conclusion.

Thalasinos “knew Syed. He worked with him,” Jennifer also told the New York Post. “He knew he [Farook] was Muslim, and with our faith, they may not necessarily have got along.”

Nicholas and Jennifer Thalasinos (Facebook)
Nicholas and Jennifer Thalasinos (Facebook)

What was that faith? Nicholas Thalasinos apparently identified as a messianic Jew, but not as Jewish.

Bat Zion Susskind-Sacks, an Israeli who struck up a Facebook friendship with Thalasinos about a year ago, provided JTA with the transcript of an online conversation she had with him in September. Writing soon after he and his wife renewed their vows in a Jewish-style ceremony complete with huppah canopy and tallit prayer shawls, Thalasinos said: “As a gentile who loves HaShem, I know my place is to support Israel and the Jewish people.”

Thalasinos’ final Facebook post, made early Wednesday, seemed to affirm this identity. In the post, sharing an anti-Semitic message he said he received, he wrote of the alleged sender: “He ALSO assumes I’m a JEW – a great Compliment, I should keep him around for that reason alone!

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Like many Americans who identify as messianic Jews, Thalasinos was not Jewish by heritage and was a believer in Jesus. Though they observe many biblical laws and adopt some Jewish practices and holiday observances, messianic Jews are not accepted as Jews by any of the major Jewish denominations. One of the best-known messianic missionary groups, Jews for Jesus, actually is comprised in large part by Christians.

Susskind-Sacks, like many Jews, is irked when people who are not born Jewish and believe in Jesus call themselves messianic Jews.

Law enforcement officials continue their investigation around the Ford SUV vehicle that was the scene where suspects of the shooting at the Inland Regional Center were killed, on December 4, 2015 in San Bernardino, California. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images/AFP)
Law enforcement officials continue their investigation around the Ford SUV vehicle that was the scene where suspects of the shooting at the Inland Regional Center were killed, on December 4, 2015 in San Bernardino, California. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images/AFP)

Thalasinos, who was 52, said in his exchanges with Susskind-Sacks that he was raised a Catholic and “a Pagan,” and that he only came to Jesus later in life. Thalasinos’ wife, who could not be reached by JTA for comment, told the Post he became a “born-again messianic Jew” in 2013.

“When I was in darkness (I was not a Righteous man) I cried out to Jesus (as I mistakenly called Him) and He lifted the veil from my eyes and the weight from my heart,” Thalasinos wrote Susskind-Sacks in September.

When Susskind-Sacks asked why, if he loved Israel and the Jewish people and adopted some Jewish practices, he didn’t convert to Judaism, Thalasinos replied: “I believe in Yeshua (an aspect of G-D that grants Salvation). I will not lie to a Rabbi and let him believe otherwise to do this – no matter how much I want to.”

Messianic Jews typically refer to Jesus by the Hebrew name Yeshua.

Rania Elbanna, 40, left, and Dr. Shaheen Zakaria, friends from Loma Linda, California, hold candles at a vigil at San Manuel Stadium Thursday, Dec. 3, 2015, in remembrance of the 14 people lost Wednesday in the San Bernardino mass shooting. (Tom Tingle/The Arizona Republic via AP)
Rania Elbanna, 40, left, and Dr. Shaheen Zakaria, friends from Loma Linda, California, hold candles at a vigil at San Manuel Stadium Thursday, Dec. 3, 2015, in remembrance of the 14 people lost Wednesday in the San Bernardino mass shooting. (Tom Tingle/The Arizona Republic via AP)

Thalasinos was by all accounts was an ardent Zionist – or pro-Zionist, as his Facebook page suggested (Susskind-Sacks said she told him only Jews can be Zionists).

“Nicholas was a great supporter of Israel, no question about that. He felt he was put on this earth to follow Hashem and God’s people,” Susskind-Sacks said.

Thalasinos’ wife, Jennifer Thalasinos, told the Post that her husband might have been the person whom media reports said got into an argument with Farook the morning of the shooting.

“He’s very outspoken about Islamic terrorism and how he feels about politics in the state of the country,” Jennifer Thalasinos said of her late husband, who worked for the county as a public health inspector. “So I’m sure he probably had plenty to say to him.”

After the shooting, Nicholas Thalasinos’ Facebook page was flooded with expressions of condolence and grief, with many posts memorializing him with Kaddish, the Jewish prayer for the dead.

Facebook friend Erica Karas said she believed Thalasinos was killed because of his love for Jews and Israel.

“It is my honest belief that Nicholas was murdered because of his alliance with Israel and Jewish people,” Karas wrote. “Blessed be the memory of Nicholas Thalasinos! He loved Yisrael and Jewish people.”

Times of Israel staff contributed to this report.

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